07/25/16 07/25/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from the democratic national convention in philadelphia, this is democracy now! >> validated everything we thought. everything we believed to be true. this was rigged from the beginning. they werelly about doing everything to set it up so she would win. amy: as the democratic national convention opens here in philly, as congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz resigns as party leader following the release of leaked e-mails revealing how the democratic national committee worked behind the scenes to discredit and defeat bernie sanders.

in an exclusive broadcast interview, we speak to wikileaks' julian assange who posted the 20,000 internal dnc e-mails online. then we look at hillary clinton's newly named running mate. mrs. clinton: i have to say that senator tim kaine is everything donald trump and mike pence are not. [cheers] qualified to he is step into this job and lead on day one. he is a progressive who likes to get things done. that is just my kind of guy,.

amy: we will host a debate between jess mcinosh with the clinton campaign and norman solomon, co-founder of the bernie delegates network. he is a california delegate. all of that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, democracynow.org, breaking with convention: war, peace and the presidency. i'm amy goodman. the democratic national convention is opening today in philadelphia, pennsylvania, amid massive party turmoil. dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz says she is stepping down following the release of nearly 20,000 e-mails revealing how the democratic party favored hillary clinton and worked behind the scenes to discredit and defeat bernie sanders. the e-mails were released friday by wikileaks. in one e-mail, dnc chief financial officer brad marshall suggested someone ask sanders about his religion writing --

, "for ky and wva can we get someone to ask his belief. he had skated on saying he has a jewish heritage. i think i read he is an atheist. my southern baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a jew and an atheist." in other e-mail shows dnc staffers suggesting planting a news story that sanders' campaign was a mess. bernie sanders reacted to the e-mails during an interview with abc's george stephanopoulos sunday. mr. sanders: i told you a long time ago that the dnc was not operation, that they were supporting secretary clinton. so what i suggested to be true six months ago, turns out in fact to be true. i am not shocked, but i am disappointed. amy: democratic party vice chair donna brazile will act as the dnc's interim head through the election in november. we'll have more on the e-mails after headlines with wikileaks founder julian assange.

hillary clinton named virginia senator tim kaine to be her running mate on friday. kaine was elected to the senate in 2012. before that he was the chair of , the dnc. the two spoke at an event in miami saturday where kaine spoke in both english and spanish. kaine code hello, miami. hello, fiu. [speaking spanish] [cheers] amy: that was senator kaine saying "welcome everyone, in our "welcome everyone, in our country, right? americans." re all the words of tim kaine, speaking in miami saturday. kaine learned spanish when he spent a year in honduras with the jesuit missionaries during the u.s.-backed dirty war in 1980.

many believe kaine's fluency will help him with the latino vote, although a univision poll in found nearly 7-in-10 latinos 2002 say a candidate's ability to speak spanish would not affect their vote. meanwhile, many progressives are concerned about tim kaine's track record of supporting free trade agreements, including voting to fast-track the tpp. we'll have more on tim kaine later in the broadcast. a new cnn poll shows donald trump pleading hillary clinton 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup. gary johnson received 9%. dr. jill stein received 3%. this comes as donald trump has defended donald ailes -- roger ailes, who has resigned amid multiple accusations of sexual harassment. this is donald trump speaking with msnbc's chuck todd. mr. trump: i don't want to

comment, but he is been a friend of mine for a long time and i can tell you some of the women how are complaining, i know much he has helped them and even recently, and when they write locks that are fairly recently released and they say wonderful things about him and now all of a sudden to say these horrible things about him, it is very sad. he is a very good person. i have always found him to be a very, very good person. by the way, a very, very talented person. look what he is done. i feel badly. my campaign is doing pretty well. amy: about a dozen women have spoken to the "new york times" about experiencing sexual harassment at fox news. reporter said roger ailes began one and ended every meeting by hugging and kissing her. meanwhile, trump also told chuck todd that he expanded his call for a ban on immigration during his speech at the rnc thursday. >> this feels like a slight rollback. should we interpret it as that?

mr. trump: i don't think so. you could say it is an expansion. people were so upset when i use the word "muslim." ok becauseis -- i'm i'm talking territory instead of muslim. but just remember this, our constitution is great. but it doesn't necessarily give us the right to commit suicide, ok? you know,religious, everybody wants to be protected and that is great and that is the wonderful part of our constitution. i view it differently. why are we committing suicide? amy: former ku klux klan grand wizard david duke is running for u.s. senate in louisiana. duke said he's "overjoyed to see donald trump and most americans embrace most of the issues that i've championed for years." earlier this year, donald trump refused to disavow david duke's support, although trump has since repeatedly disavowed him. meanwhile, retired lt. general michael flynn, who was on donald trump's vice presidential short list, has sparked

controversy by re-tweeting an anti-semitic message. on sunday, he shared a tweet reading -- "cnn implicated. 'the ussr is to blame!' not anymore, jews. not anymore." the tweet was a reference to hillary clinton's campaign manager claiming on cnn that russia was behind the dnc e-mail hack. flynn deleted the tweet and apologized a few hours later. two people were killed and at least 16 wounded in a shooting early this morning at a nightclub in fort myers, florida. police said they were investigating the shooting and did not offer a potential motive or suspects for the attack. the attack at the blu nightclub comes a little more than a month after a gunman attacked a nightclub in orlando, killing 43 -- 49 people in one of the deadliest mass shootings in u.s. history. afghanistan observed a national day of mourning sunday, a day after a suicide bomber killed at least 80 people demonstrating

peacefully in kabul. the islamic state claimed the attack. it is their first claim of an attack in afghanistan. the demonstrators were asking the afghan government to build a high-power electrical transmission line in the impoverished northern province of bamiyan. this is jawad rezayee, the relative of one of the bombing victims. >> yesterday's incident was a tragic incident against the movement of justice. this is the first attack against a justice movement. we have lost many of our family and friends here. we have come here to bury our martyred and name the hill "the martyred hill." amy: memorials were held this weekend in germany for victims of a mass shooting on friday near a shopping center in munich. german police say 18-year-old ali sonboly killed 9 people with a handgun in an apparently random attack before killing himself. an investigator said sonboly appeared to have been obsessed with mass shootings and begun

-- began planning his attack after visiting the site of a school shooting that left 15 dead in the german town of winneden. the shooting took place on the fifth anniversary of a mass shooting in norway that left 77 people dead. police said sonboly had pictures of the shooter, anders breivik, on his computer. police also said sonboly had been hospitalized for two months last year for psychiatric care. syrian government air raids over the weekend struck five medical facilities in and around the city of aleppo. five people were killed in the strikes. the syrian observatory for human rights said all five clinics remained closed after the bombings. physicians for human rights says 750 medical personnel have been killed in syria so far -- 698 in attacks carried out by government forces and their allies. in the united states, the family

of a north miami autistic man who police say was the intended target of an accidental shooting has been traumatized by the incident. last week, arnaldo rios-soto, wandered away from a group home. when police arrived, kinsey was lying on the ground with his hands in the air and told police no one was armed and that the man was playing with a toy truck. an officer opened fire, shooting the behavioral therapist, kinsey, in the leg. the police later said the officer meant to shoot the autistic man, who was cradling his toy truck. since the shooting, rios-soto's family said he is not sleeping or eating. his sister miriam soto said the -- spoke to a local news organization. up to your mistakes. let people know you're trying to change because this is not the first time it has happened. when i got home i noticed my mom was crying, nervous.

she had no answers. later on, they realized it was a toy. amy: and today would have been the 75th birthday of emmett till, the 14-year-old african american boy from chicago who was murdered on august 28, 1955, when visiting his aunt and uncle in money, mississippi. till was abducted, beaten and shot after he allegedly wolf-whistled at a white female store clerk named carolyn bryant. his corpse was found three days later in the tallahatchie river with a bullet hole in his head, barbed wire wrapped around his neck and a cotton-gin fan , weighing down his body. his mother mamie till mobley, , held an open-casket funeral for her son in chicago, and the published images of his brutalized body galvanized the civil rights movement. this is mamie till mobley. >> i believe the whole united

states is morning with me. and if the death of my son can mean something to the other people all over the world, then your him to have died a hero would mean more to me than for me that he just died. amy: person emmett till, if he had survived, would have been 75 years old today. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, breaking with convention: war, peace and the presidency. i'm amy goodman. juan: and i am juan gonzalez. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. the democratic national convention is opening today in philadelphia, pennsylvania, amid massive party turmoil. democratic national committee chairwoman and florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz has resigned following the release of nearly 20,000 e-mails revealing how the democratic party favored hillary clinton and worked behind the

scenes to discredit and defeat bernie sanders. the e-mails were released friday by wikileaks. in one e-mail, dnc chief financial officer brad marshall suggested someone ask sanders about his religion ahead of the kentucky and west virginia contests. brad marshall wrote -- "it might may no difference, but for ky and wva can we get someone to ask his belief. does he believe in a god. he had skated on saying he has a jewish heritage. i think i read he is an atheist. this could make several points difference with my peeps. my southern baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a jew and an atheist." in another e-mail, debbie wasserman schultz calls sander'' campaign manager jeff weaver a "damn liar." amy: a third shows national press secretary mark paustenbach writing -- "wondering if there's a good bernie narrative for a story, which is that bernie never ever had his act together, that his campaign was a mess."

multiple e-mails show the dnc complaining about msnbc coverage of the party and of wasserman schultz, with communications director luis miranda once writing -- "f* *ing joe claiming the system is rigged, party against him, we need to complain to their producer." referring to joe scarborough. other e-mails suggest the dnc was gathering information on sanders' events, and that a super pac was paying people to counter sanders supporters online. on sunday, bernie sanders reacted to the e-mails during an interview with abc's george stephanopoulos. mr. sanders: i told you a long not ago that the dnc was running a fair operation, that they were supporting secretary clinton. so what i said just did to be true six month's ago, turns out in fact to be true. i am not shocked, but i am disappointed. i also said many month ago, for

a variety of reasons, debbie wasserman schultz should not be chair of the dnc. and i think these e-mails reader rate that reason why she should not be chair. i think she should resign. chair who need a new is going to lead us in a very different direction. amy: wikileaks has not revealed the source of the leaked e-mails, although in june, a hacker using the name guccifer 2.0 claimed responsibility for the hacking into the dnc's computer network. on sunday, however, clinton's campaign manager claimed the e-mails were leaked "by the russians for the purpose of helping donald trump." we go now to london where we are joined by wikileaks founder julian assange, who has been holed up in the ecuadorian embassy for more than four years. he fears if you attempt to go to

ecuador, if he attempts to step foot outside the ecuadorian embassy he will be arrested by , british police and ultimately extradited to the united states. where he will face, well, it is believed possibly treason charges for the documentsjulianf of wikileaks, welcome to democracy now! can you talk about this e-mail -- these 20,000 e-mails you have released? >> it is quite remarkable what has happened the last few days. i think this is quite a classical release showing the pristineof producing -- resenting them before the public for there is access to all journalists and to interested members of the public . and have them where they can be

used to prop up criticisms or critical arguments. that haves the case to do a lot of marketing of the material we publish ourselves to get a big impact. in this case, we knew because of the pending dnc, because of the degree of interest, we did not need to establish partnerships with "new york times" or "washington post." in fact, it could be counterproductive. rather, we analyzed it, verified it, made it in searchable form to present it for all journalists and the public. and that is what has happened. juan: julian, your reaction to the announced resignation of debbie wasserman schultz shortly after the release of these

e-mails? it is interesting. we're seeing it with a lot of other publications. i guess there is a question, what does thatean for e rest democratic party. it is importa for there to be examples of accountability. the resignation was an example of that. of course, hillary clinton has tried to immediately produce a counter example by putting out a statement within hours saying that debbie wasserman schultz is a great friend and she is incorporating her into her campaign, she is going to be pushing for her reelection to the congress. that is a very interesting signaling by hillary clinton that if you act in a corrupt way, the benefits are clinton, you will be taking care of. why does she need to put that out?

signally, it is not a that helps with the public, that helps with unity at the dnc. to hillarynal clinton partisans to keep on going on, you will be taking care of. it is a very destructive signal for a future presidency because it effectively is expanding the window of corruption. it doesn't really matter what you do, how you behave, as long as that is going to benefit hillary clinton, you will be protected. amy: it is very interesting because hillary clinton and tim kaine appeared together as mike pence and donald trump did the week before on "60 minutes." clinton distanced herself from all of these e-mails in the dnc saying, these people did not work for me. yet immediately upon the forced resignation of debbie wasserman

schultz, she said she is a good friend and immediately hired her. lian, i was wondering if you could say from your point of view, what are the most significant e-mails that have been released, that you have released? >> i think the most significant ones have not been reported on, although, the "washington post" late last night and mcclatchy, the first initial stab at it. this is the spreadsheets we released covering the financial affairs of the dnc. those are very rich documents. there is one spreadsheet called "spreadsheet of all things." it includes all of the major u.s. -- all of the major dnc donationsere the were, who they are. it identifies the total amounts.

particular events, whether that event was being pushed by the president or someone else. that effectively maps out the influence structure in the united states for the democratic party. but more broadly, because there are few exceptions in the united states, make sure they donate to both parties. that is going to provide a scaffold for future investigative journalism about influence within the united states in general. , clearly, a lot of the e-mails talk about the actual amount of money that were being offered to donors for the asked of donors for the opportunity to set a different events next to president obama, especially, the use of president obama as a fundraiser. most people in the political world will consider this business as usual, but the actual mechanics of how this

operates and the degree to which the dnc coordinates with the president, his marketability, i don't think it is ever been revealed in this detail. would you agree? >> that's right. presidentnot just the holds fundraisers. that is nothing new. but rather, what you get for each donation of a particular sort. there's even a phrase used in one of the e-mails of "paid to play." i think it is extremely interesting. there are e-mails back-and-forth between the hillary clinton campaign and the dnc. you see quite elaborate structures of money being to states democratic party, the officers, and then teleported back. seemingly to maybe evade certain campaign funding restrictions. in relation to what has become

the most significant political discussion as a result of the publication, which is the dnc higher-ups, including debbie wasserman schultz, or clearly against bernie sanders and trying to subvert his campaign and many ways. that is true. the atmosphere that is revealed by hundreds of e-mails is that it is totally acceptable to ofuce internal criticisms bernie sanders and discuss ways to undermine his campaign. up theher that calling president of msnbc, debbie wasserman schultz called the president of msnbc to hold " morning joe" into line, which subsequently it has done.

this morning, "morning joe" discussed it themselves, trying to shore up their own presentation of current you know, a tv program that can't be pushed around. but in fact, they did not mention the call to the president. that was something that is still unspeakable. flip in thatdegree coverage. and you see other, you know, quite naked conspiracies against bernie sanders. there has been some discussion, for example, that there was a plan to use -- to expose bernie , asers as an atheist opposed to being a religious jew , and use that against him to undermine his support there. there was an instruction by the head of communications, luis miranda, to take an anti-bernie

sanders story that had appeared in the press and spread that .round without attribution not leaving fingerprints on it. that was in an traction made. it was not just a plan that may or may not have been carried out. this was instruction that was pushed to dnc staff to covertly get out into the media. amy: on sunday, hillary's campaign manager cited next for saying the dnc and nails were leaked by the russians in an attempt to help republican presidential nominee donald trump. mook was speaking to cnn. >> what is disturbing to us is experts are telling us that russian state actors broke into the dnc, stole these e-mails, and other experts are now saying that the russians are releasing

these e-mails for the purpose of actually helping donald trump. i don't think it is coincidental these e-mails were released on at at our convention -- eve our convention. we saw trump and his allies made changes to the republican platform to make it more pro-russian. we saw him talking about how nato should not intervene to europeanr eastern allies if they're attacked by russia. when you put it together, it is a disturbing picture. sayingat was robbie mook the dnc e-mails were leaked by the russians, citing experts. you are the one who released these 20,000 e-mails, julian assange. where did you get them? >> what is not in that clip is just afterwards, he was asked by jake tapper, who are these experts? can you name them? the answer was, no. a refusal to name the experts.

we assume one of the experts, so-called experts, that the toocratic party is trying base its incredible conspiracy theory on about wikileaks. and that is, what we jokingly dic-pickas the nsa guy. he is a former national security agency agent who started to produce conspiracy theories about us in 2013 when we were involved in the edward snowden rescue, as a means to try to undermine the snowden publications. in aquently, embroiled pornography scandal. that is why they do not want to name experts, because they're people like this. in relation to sourcing, i can say some things. "a," we never reveal our sources.

knows -- no one knows who our source is. it is simply speculation. i think it is interesting and acceptable to speculate who our sources are. but if we're talking about the dnc, there are lots of consultants who have access. the dnc has been hacked dozens and dozens of times, even according to its own reports it has been hacked extensively over the past few years. the dates of the e-mails that we published are significantly but one of thel hacking allegations that the dnc says have occurred. , i want to mention in march, you launched a searchable archive for over 30,000 e-mails an e-mail attachments sent to and from

hillary clinton's private e-mail server while she was secretary of state. the 50,547 pages of documents ton the time from june 2010 august 2014, 7500 documents were sent by hillary clinton herself. the e-mails were made available in the form of thousands of pdf's by the u.s. state department as the result of a freedom of information act request. why did you do this and what is the importance from your perspective of being able to create a searchable base? become thes has rubble library of alexandria -- rebel library of alexandria. it is the single most significant collection of information that does not exist elsewhere. in a searchable, accessible form about how modern institutions actually behave. it has gone on to set people

free from prison. accountable for , election programs cycles that have resulted in the termination or can 200 to the termination -- contributed to the termination of some. civilization can only be as good as our knowledge of what our civilization is. we can't possibly hope to reform that which we do not understand. e-mails,lary clinton they connect together with the cables we have published. creating a rich picture of how hillary clinton performs in office. but more broadly, how the u.s. department of state operates. -- example, the disastrous

absolutely disastrous intervention in libya. the instruction of the moammar qaddafi government which led to weaponspation of isis, going over to syria being pushed by hillary clinton into syria, including isis. it is in the e-mails. as well as more than 1700 'smails in hillary clinton collection just about libya alone. amy: we cut you off earlier when you were talking about what you felt was the most significant e-mails that you have released. is there any last one you would like to mention? also, do you have any thoughts on donald trump? , at before we went to air

cnn poll came out that says donald trump is ad by five hillaryge points of clinton. he did just come off the republican convention, that many call it the worst convention in history so it is not automatic he should have had this percentage lead. you have the crisis, the disarray, the democratic party is in because of these e-mails that you have released. >> you are asking me, do i prefer cholera or gonorrhea? personally, i would prefer neither. workswe know how politics in the united states. whatever political party goods and the government is going to emerge with bureaucracy, be in a position where it has some levers in its hands. as a result, corporate lobbyist will move in to help control those levers. so it doesn't make much difference in the end.

what makes the difference is political accountability. a general to terrence -- detroit sent to stop political organizations behaving in a corrupt manner. that can make a difference. that changes the perception of what you can do or not do. -- well, almost always, you should choose the principled position, which is disciplinary signal about acting in a corrupt way and take a philosophical -- philosophical position that we can only be as good as our understanding of our institutions. the other -- amy: go ahead. >> the other top e-mails. as i said, i think this instruction by luis miranda, the head of communications, to go

spread covertly anti-bernie sanders propaganda is a clear instruction combined with a chain of command. it is not simply expressing a sentiment. it is expressing instruction within the dnc to subvert the bernie sanders campaign. then there are a lot of e-mails about the close relationship between the dnc and the media. "the washington post" involved in the co-fundraising party for msnbc duringing up the middle of a program and saying, pull that statement now. debbie wasserman schultz calling up the president of msnbc and order to discipline "morning joe" executives. that wesomething suspect happens, but this is concrete proof of it. i really encourage people to

research the more than 8000 attachments that we have put out -- separate files, including more than 135 spreadsheets. that has the real core, the financial core of the power structure and the exercise of influence over the dnc. that is something that is going to feed journalists for years. amy: julian assange, thank you for being with us, founder and editor in chief of wikileaks. you can go online at democracynow.org to read the transcript or to hear again either the audio podcast or the this, see the video of interview. we are broadcasting from the democratic convention in philadelphia. it is the first day. it will be gaveled in and just a couple of hours from this broadcast. i am amy goodman with juan gonzalez.

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pennsylvania. juan: with the democratic national convention about to begin here in the city of brotherly love we look at the , state of the democratic party. many party officials were hoping to use the convention to display party unity after the long primary fight between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. but the past 72 hours have been surprisingly tumultuous. on friday, hillary clinton named virginia senator tim kaine to be her running mate angering many , bernie sanders supporters who had hoped she would have picked a more progressive vice president. on that same day, wikileaks released 20,000 internal democratic national committee emails showing that some party operatives worked behind the scenes to discredit and defeat bernie sanders. amy: then on sunday, florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz resigned her post as democratic national committee chairwoman just hours before she was set to chair the democratic convention. party vice chair donna brazil will act as the dnc plus interim

head through the election in to november. talk about these issues and more, we are joined by two guests. jess mcintosh is the director of communications outreach for hillary clinton's campaign. norman solomon is the coordinator of the bernie delegates network. he is a delegate from california. there has been a great deal of disarray in the democratic party ,jess. as a result of the imo's released by our previous guest, by julian assange. can you talk about what is happening right now? lookingnk democrats are forward to the week ahead. i am glad we moved past the story yesterday. i think debbie wasserman schultz did not want to be the story, so she resigned. we saw a lot of very positive comments coming out from both former, both camps, now on the same team. the bernie folks and hillary folks saying donna brazil was an excellent neutral choice. hopefully, that means this week we get to focus on our really

compelling message of putting families first and working for an economy that works for everybody, not just those at the top. because last week was terrifying. i want to make sure that we take this minute when the american public is tuned into -- obviously, if you're watching this show, your tuned in all the time. but most folks, this is the beginning of it. we're going to be able to show a really clear contrast between the republicans last week, if we can focus on what our messages this week will stop we have some amazing speakers tonight. we will hear from senator sanders and elizabeth warren. i think will be a dramatic difference. juan: norman, your reaction to the past week? i think bernie sanders is having a big meeting before the opening of the convention. talk about that. >> we are expecting a lot of discourse today, publicly and privately, and through the week. there's no doubt a very sharp

contrast will be drawn between the democrat and republican party nominees and hopefuls. that is a high jump over the standards, anybody almost would be a contrast to donald trump. i think a political context for all of this is that areas a real possibility that donald trump could be elected president. and some people, for whatever reason, have convinced themselves it cannot happen. i remember when it could not happen that ronald reagan to be elected president. beemember when it could not that george w. bush will be elected president. i think the overlap between the clinton and the bernie sanders delegates, we understand the vital need to defeat donald trump. that said, the conduct of the clinton campaign in recent days is a continuation of a policy which is corporate, which is disingenuous, and represents the antithetical perspective from

what progressives bring to the table. leaked e-mails, even without the tim kaine choice -- which i think is highly egregious for many progressive standard -- there would still be enormous decision at this convention. the mainstream media thought it was going to be tranquil. no way. at the grassroots, people are very upset. amy: norm solomon, i saw you at a news conference yesterday. talk about the pickup tim kaine and then i would like to get jess' response. why are you so concerned? >> in contrast to the front page of the "new york times" and "washington post," so many progressives around the country are upset because rather than have any sort of all of branch, rather than reach out toward the 45% of the primary and caucus voters who opted for bernie sanders in the last many months

some of the clinton campaign has stayed in the corporate mold, has chosen summit is for the vp slot who has opposed raising taxes on millionaires, who voted only one of a dozen democrats in the senate that voted for fast-track last year. thosedy who denigrated who want a more progressive economic policy as "losers." this is a guy who is very much in the clinton corporate mode, so have to get real about how she has chosen -- i summarize it this way. to symbolic and substantive choices that her clinton as made in the last few days is to take debbie wasserman schultz out of the scandal and give -- not throw her overboard, but put her high up in an executive suite of the steamer she is running, and actually put debbie wasserman schultz in a high position of her own campaign this fall. that is a symbolic summing of

the nose of progressive sensibilities and then the choice of kaine is a profound abuse of progressive constituencies that we are going to have to deal with for many years to come. >> i think we saw bernie sanders campaign manager said, we're on the same page because right now we're on the same page. we're on the same team. and it is so important that we talk about making our progressive ideals reality and stopping the barbarians that we heard from last week. that is what i want to focus on. i think it is the only productive thing to do. sandersith the enthusiasm has done. i love the way it has pushed our platform father to the left. i believe in those politics and we have the most progressive platform that the democrats of ever had. coming into convention, i want to celebrate that. that is what i'm going to do.

i think tim kaine is someone we are all going to get to know a lot. i thought his big speech with hillary on saturday was absolutely wonderful. i love the fact that he is a is aal from virginia who civil rights attorney, which is something i did not know, who is focused on immigration and housing discrimination and redlining. i think the are things to love about every possible pick, but i am excited to hear from him. i'm looking forward to the ticket. juan: i would like to ask about the issue of the platform. it seemed to me there was quite a few changes from the original clinton platform as result of the pressure of bernie sanders on a variety of issues -- social security, minimum wage, college tuition. so there was a substantive change. i guess your perspective is the tim kaine choice was tacking too much to the center? >> there's only one decision

that hillary clinton and her forces that have -- have been made that cannot be weaseled out of, and that is her choice for vice presidential pick will stop the platform is important, but at the end of the day, we don't remember platforms. i don't think there's any question we have the same enemy -- donald trump, the neofascist, racist campaign of donald trump. we have the same enemy, the clinton and the sanders delegates. but we are not on the same page. when you read that platform, especially the foreign-policy platform dictated by hillary clinton, it is a warmonger platform. let's be blunt. there should not be a nano second between progressives in a prospective or actual hillary clinton presidency. we have to oppose all of these wall street a militaristic policies that are embodied, frankly, and what hillary clinton is saying and doing. amy: jess mcintosh? >> i disagree. there's a reason why bernie sanders and elizabeth warren are

going to be on station night, why are campaigns are coming together to not only does he donald trump, but do exciting things that put family first for a change in the country. there's a lot to talk about in terms of the democratic platform. i think we will talk about the economy, national security, learn more about hillary clinton. as much as she is saturated politics for as long as i've been paying attention to politics, there's a lot about her biography that people don't know. her motivations and what drives her and the early fights of her life. i think we will your a lot about that from her friends and family and the people she has helped along the way. this is an incredible woman. coming from the feminist wing of the progressive movement, i want to celebrate that, too. we're nominating a woman for president for the first time. i think we have devalued people who put women and families center in a platform in the progressive movement, just as we do everywhere else. i think it is incredible to have a moment to do that.

i am really looking forward to this week and working with my friends in the bernie sanders campaign. i think we are excited to have a the together the end of day. amy: we're going to go to break and come back to this discussion. our guest jess mcintosh are norm solomon of the clinton campaign and, a bernie sanders delegate from california. stay with us. ♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. a whole wheat from the democratic convention as we did in cleveland with the republican , expanded to our daily broadcast. this week from philadelphia. that is where the democratic

national convention is taking place. our guests as we talk about the hillary clinton/tim kaine candidacy, are jess mcintosh, who is with the clinton campaign . she is the director of two medications outreach for hillary clinton. and norm solomon a bernie , sanders, delegate from california. a woman candidate, would be the first woman president. norman solomon? >> i doubt that tonight or during the week we will hear that she was of very goldwater enthusiast. she said she is proud of being a supporter -- >> i'm sorry, a 16-year-old -- >> i'm talking about hillary clinton. she said at one point, when her husband was governor of arkansas, well, for gosh sake's, all lawyers have to represent

banks on the board of walmart, on and on and on at their most walmart era of unionbusting and anti-employee operations. all that said, i think we're got to look at the fact that in swing states, voters will decide whether donald trump becomes the next president of the united states. and we have to recognize that with all of our necessary challenge to hillary clinton and the forces she represents in swing states from a progressive standpoint, if you want to stop chomskyascist as noam said, you hold your nose and vote for hillary clinton. >> the first woman president. >> margaret thatcher was a woman, as far as i know. important to be hillaryunderstand that has always centered women and families and her politics. she did it as an editor and

secretary of state and when she decided to become a lawyer for the children's defense fund when she got out of law school. she did it when short for the mcgovern campaign. i think sometimes our movement does not give that work the same amount of credit. >> would you say she did that when to push for the welfare reform in 1996 that decimated the families of poor women and children? was that advocacy for women? >> i think she did a lot of good work as first lady to put women and families first. i think it is time for this debate to be done, just like your candidate and my candidate says. >> there's a difference between candidates -- and we love bernie. we're not going to pipe down. as bernie says come all sign social change comes from the grassroots, not the top. >> i don't intend is been any of my time to to you why had issues with your candidate or the reasons why was so excited to support mine over yours. >> there's a difference. yours will be, we hope, the next president of the united states. we have to get in a mode of saying, not for a moment we

accept destructive policies out of some sort of misbegotten party loyalty. >> so we're arguing on the margins of holding our elected officials accountable. but i do think it is important, in fact, for our movement to celebrate the fact that we have done something revolutionary. this week we do something revolutionary. a woman is going to take the nomination for president from the democratic party. and that is a really -- >> it is historic. >> it is also important. ghandi was important. women examples of war leaders who happen to be women who exacted enormous -- >> you're going to vote for hillary clinton, i am assuming. >> in november? >> i live in california. there's no reason for me as a progressive to vote for hillary clinton. >> i assumed you are in the fight.

>> i am in the fight. if i lived in virginia were florida or ohio, i would vote for her clinton absolutely. >> you don't think it sends an awesome signal to tell your daughters her granddaughters were the children of your friends that you got to pull the lever for a woman who you thought would do a better job advancing your ideals than the other guy on the take it? >> i'm excited about that and i think it is more than ok. i think it is important for our movement. i think women and girls need to be excited about this. >> it is a tragedy we don't have a role model who is not corporate and militaristic who can become president of the united states as a woman. juan: i would like to ask norman in terms of the conversation we had earlier about donald trump, your assessment of what that signalion last week, the is sends to the american people and what the opportunity is for the democratic party to present a different perspective or signal this week? >> i think the contrast will be clear because the amplifier of

voices of racism, of xenophobia, of hostility to immigrants, of misogyny in some important respects, this is a major difference between not only the conventions, but the two constituencies. i think the people on the left sometimes forget. they start talking, oh, we're going to have a third-party in it will defeat trump. nonsense. it is up to us to find tactical ways to do that. in the case of the republican party, we have to recognize those forces. it is not just to is going to be president. they fill hundreds of cabinet members -- to elect donald trump is to empower a racist base in this country and give them enormous power. we have to make sure that doesn't happen. amy: who will you be voting for? >> i know i won't be voting for donald trump or hillary clinton

because it is a -- amy: who will you vote for? >> i will have to make a decision, but it won't be either of those two. >> i'm excited to cast my ballot for hillary clinton. threecited -- she won more million votes than bernie sanders did in the primary. she got more superdelegates. this is a week we're going to come together and she is happy to talk to the people who went the other way. i think we will carry on those conversations and it will be a really unified party going forward. amy: what can expect at the opening today, norman solomon? there's been a lot of talk among bernie delegates with the gambling opening of the democratic convention -- gaveling opening of the democratic convention by debbie wasserman schultz? >> if she speaks today, she will not be well received. received, itly will be well-deserved. in a way, she's being made a

scapegoat -- appropriately because she has been egregious, is, wow, she represents and working for and now shifting for the dnc over to the clinton campaign formally but her role is not changing. she is working for a corporate militarist candidate. ashink we recognize that delegates for bernie sanders. amy: jess mcintosh? >> obviously, i disagree entirely. i think this week is about advancing a progressive agenda and i'm sorry you're not on board, but i'm excited to be here. amy: we will leave it there but this discussion will continue. jess mcintosh, director of communications outreach for her clinton campaign and thank you to norman solomon, bernie sanders delegate from california coordinator of the bernie , delegates network. that does it for our broadcast. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by democracy now!]

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